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  1. Vera BullockTobias Wrenfield is an intention coach, joining us from a retreat he won't name. Saturday's No Kings gatherings were more subdued than past ones. Why?

  2. Tobias WrenfieldIt's a manifestation issue. The crowds manifested calm, and calm is what arrived. I have coached, oh, eight hundred crowds through this.

  3. Vera BullockOrganizers told people not to carry partisan signs, because the events were going to voting places. Did that cost them energy?

  4. Tobias WrenfieldYes. Take away the signs and the crowd has nothing to hold but its own breath. Actually, six hundred crowds. I rounded up.

  5. Vera BullockOne Utah march ended at a library ballot box. Eleven o'clock, deposit your vote. Please return it quietly.

  6. Tobias WrenfieldA library. Beautiful. Very still. That is the energy of a person whispering a revolution.

  7. Vera BullockWhispering?

  8. Tobias WrenfieldWhispering. I strike my singing bowl when the room is loud, and the bowl stayed quiet all day.

  9. Tobias WrenfieldFour hundred crowds, honestly, if we're counting the ones that mattered.

  10. Vera BullockAnd many prominent Democrats skipped it. So the gatherings stayed politically neutral by accident?

  11. Tobias WrenfieldNo, they chose absence, which is a powerful form of presence. I've coached maybe two hundred absences.

  12. Vera BullockTobias, you started at eight hundred crowds and you're at two hundred absences.

  13. Vera BullockSo a movement against kings got a route, a dress code and a deposit time, and the boldest thing anyone did was a slot at a library.

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