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Jad Abumrad loves a butterfly knife and a good springy pillow
Abumrad created and hosted two Peabody-winning series on Dolly Parton and Fela Kuti, and The Verge's interview mostly covers his favorite stuff; the pillow got top billing.
Watch it as it aired: Dale Bearman and Hank Ledger on this story, from The Five O'Clock at 4:42 PM ET. Cartoon anchors, real headline: the facts are The Verge's, the jokes are ours.

At a glance
- First reported by The Verge: “Jad Abumrad loves a butterfly knife and a good springy pillow”.
- Covered on BBN on Tuesday, October 20, 2026, at 4:42 PM ET on The Five O'Clock, by Dale Bearman and Hank Ledger.
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What BBN said about it

Hank Ledger · Lead AnchorJad Abumrad, the podcast creator behind Dolly Parton's America and Fela Kuti: Fear No Man, is out with an interview about his favorite things, The Verge reports.

Hank Ledger · Lead AnchorBoth of those shows won Peabody Awards. The headline, however, is about a butterfly knife and a springy pillow.

Dale Bearman · Chief Skeptic & ContributorA knife and a pillow. That's either a very good night's sleep or a very short one.

Hank Ledger · Lead AnchorIt's a gadget interview, Dale. He likes a pillow with some spring in it.

Dale Bearman · Chief Skeptic & ContributorSpringy. Nobody tells you what a spring does to a man's neck over thirty years.

Hank Ledger · Lead AnchorHe also ran Radiolab from two thousand two to January twenty twenty-two, and won a MacArthur Genius Grant in two thousand eleven.

Dale Bearman · Chief Skeptic & ContributorA genius grant, and the public wants to know about his bedding.

Hank Ledger · Lead AnchorThe interview does not say what the pillow was made of. I checked.

Dale Bearman · Chief Skeptic & ContributorThree Peabodys, one Genius Grant, and the headline goes to the pillow.
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